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[schifrin]

I've been having problems with SCX1.0x and WordX in complicated Word files. No matter what the format of the document being checked, the entire document converts to the "normal" Word style when corrections are pasted back into the document. Tables are destroyed, and most formatting is gone. If I don't check the tables, then all of the formatting, except the font style, is retained. Weird.

Today, having upgraded to SCX 10.1, I find that any functions of QuicKeys which involve the menu bar (no matter the current application) no longer work. Doing a little nosing around, I found that if I turn off the display of the input option flag in the menu bar, the QK functionality comes back. I don't have to disable SCX, but I do have to run it from the pop-up menu from the dock's icon. I also find that by disabling the menu flag, all of the keyboard shortcuts which operate SCX no longer work -- in essence the command keys which control functions from the drop-down menu in the menu bar are not available in the pop-up menu that appears in the dock.

Anybody have any ideas about these issues? Can I give you any additional information?

Thanks,

-SS-

[Evan Gross]

schifrin, on Feb 12 2004, 07:58 PM, said:

I've been having problems with SCX1.0x and WordX in complicated Word files. No matter what the format of the document being checked, the entire document converts to the "normal" Word style when corrections are pasted back into the document. Tables are destroyed, and most formatting is gone. If I don't check the tables, then all of the formatting, except the font style, is retained. Weird.

Today, having upgraded to SCX 10.1, I find that any functions of QuicKeys which involve the menu bar (no matter the current  application) no longer work. Doing a little nosing around, I found that if I turn off the display of the input option flag in the menu bar, the QK functionality comes back. I don't have to disable SCX, but I do have to run it from the pop-up menu from the dock's icon. I also find that by disabling the menu flag, all of the keyboard shortcuts which operate SCX no longer work -- in essence the command keys which control functions from the drop-down menu in the menu bar are not available in the pop-up menu that appears in the dock.

Anybody have any ideas about these issues? Can I give you any additional information?

Thanks,

-SS-

We know about the RTF formatting loss with tables and other complex Microsoft-ian features, these are explained in the Known Issues section of the Online Help, What's New document, and manual.

As for the QK problem - what version of the OS are you using? Did this all work properly before with Spell Catcher X 10.0.2?

And sure, if you choose a keyboard from the input menu, Spell Catcher's input menu and input method are deactivated. So naturally those shortcuts are no longer available.

It's not possible for an application to assign keyboard shortcuts to its Dock menu items - believe me, I tried. The OS just ignores them completely, no matter how an application tries to assign them to its Dock menu items.

BUT if you are using Panther, I discovered that you can actually use the Keyboard Shortcuts feature in System Preferences -> Keyboard & Mouse to assign them to application Dock menu items (watch out - they get assigned to ALL menu items that share the same name, no matter what the menu, no matter what application actually owns the menu if you use "All Applications" shortcuts).

Back to QuicKeys, can you give me the simplest, exact example of a menu bar QK that exhibits this problem? Also check to make sure you are using the latest version of QuicKeys. Also check to see whether this happens with EVERY input method - not just Spell Catcher's. That will help determine whose problem it really is. You can do this by turning on the Hangul input method, choosing it from the input menu, and seeing if the same problem exists or not.

[schifrin]

Thanks, Evan. I think I might have confused you re the menu stuff.

...And sure, if you choose a keyboard from the input menu, Spell Catcher's input menu and input method are deactivated. So naturally those shortcuts are no longer available....

What I meant was... turn off the "show input menu in menu bar" option in the International/Input menu panel. So, I haven't deactivated the input option, I've only eliminated the SCX display in the menu bar. It was then that I discovered the lack of command keys in the dock, as the dock was now the only way to access SC.

The details:
QuicKeysX, v2.0.2
Mac OSX, 10.3.2, Quicksilver G4
SpellCatcherX v.10.1

The following QuicKey Shortcut worked two days ago, with SCX v10.0x

In PowerOn Software's NOW CONTACT, there's a menu item Find|Find All, to which I assigned a "menu item" hot-key trigger of control-f. After the installation of SCX 10.1, that trigger no longer works. Indeed, no QuicKey shortcut that involves selecting menu items works -- whether they're "menu item" shortcuts or clicks on nexted menus. File launch Shortcuts, Text insertions, and other QK functions seem to work as well (?) as they did before. Again, if I deselect the display option mentioned above, QK functionality involving the menu bar returns. It just makes it hard to get th SCX for quick interaction.

I will change around other input options and report back to you.

Thanks,

-SS-

[Evan Gross]

schifrin, on Feb 13 2004, 01:33 PM, said:

Thanks, Evan. I think I might have confused you re the menu stuff.

...And sure, if you choose a keyboard from the input menu, Spell Catcher's input menu and input method are deactivated. So naturally those shortcuts are no longer available....

What I meant was... turn off the "show input menu in menu bar" option in the International/Input menu panel. So, I haven't deactivated the input option, I've only eliminated the SCX display in the menu bar. It was then that I discovered the lack of command keys in the dock, as the dock was now the only way to access SC.

The details:
QuicKeysX, v2.0.2
Mac OSX, 10.3.2, Quicksilver G4
SpellCatcherX v.10.1

The following QuicKey Shortcut worked two days ago, with SCX v10.0x

In PowerOn Software's NOW CONTACT, there's a menu item Find|Find All, to which I assigned a "menu item" hot-key trigger of control-f. After the installation of SCX 10.1, that trigger no longer works. Indeed, no QuicKey shortcut that involves selecting menu items works -- whether they're "menu item" shortcuts or clicks on nexted menus. File launch Shortcuts, Text insertions, and other QK functions seem to work as well (?) as they did before. Again, if I deselect the display option mentioned above, QK functionality involving the menu bar returns. It just makes it hard to get th SCX for quick interaction.

I will change around other input options and report back to you.

Thanks,

-SS-

Turning off the input menu in the menu bar, in my experience, is actuall a very bad idea. I'd stay away from ever doing this.

If you turn it ON, does QK work ok with 10.1?

[schifrin]

I'm confused. The problem I'm describing initially occurred on the upgrade from 10.0x to 10.1. I didn't experience the QK problems until I upgraded SCX to 10.1. QK worked reliably (read consistently in the things it would do and would fail to do) when SCX 10.0x was installed.

Here's an interesting thing. At your recommendation, I changed the input method and tried the QK shortcut. It worked. When I changed back to the SCX input and tried the QK shortcut, it now worked as well.

On reboot, though, the failure re-occurred. Hmmm.

-SS-

[Evan Gross]

schifrin, on Feb 13 2004, 06:07 PM, said:

I'm confused. The problem I'm describing initially occurred on the upgrade from 10.0x to 10.1. I didn't experience the QK problems until I upgraded SCX to 10.1. QK worked reliably (read consistently in the things it would do and would fail to do) when SCX 10.0x was installed.

Here's an interesting thing. At your recommendation, I changed the input method and tried the QK shortcut. It worked. When I changed back to the SCX input and tried the QK shortcut, it now worked as well.

On reboot, though, the failure re-occurred. Hmmm.

-SS-

Hmmm is right. Keep an eye out, it could be some particular pre-condition that sets it all off. Might take a few days of tinkering before you nail it down. If you can nail it down a bit better, then maybe I can give you something more solid to try.

Input Methods are tricky - and Spell Catcher's isn't even terribly complex when compared to something like Kotoeri. Probably why not many folks want to write the damn things.